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we'll be right back. >>> the revvies will return with president obama, clint eastwood, and karl rove. plus the award for political performer of the year. you're watching the second annual revvie awards only on msnbc. >>> welcome back to the revvies. here, again, is the host of "politicsnation," the reverend al sharpton. >> thank you. i'd like to welcome back our esteemed panel of judges. jonathan capehart, victoria de fran ches koe soto and richard wolffe. great to have all of you with us. >> great to be here. >> it's the season of giving. let's get back to giving out those revvies. the rising star of the year award is the revvie for the biggest political powerhouse of 2012. krystal, who wins that award in your book? and i'm looking forward here. i'm looking in the crystal ball. i'm looking for who going forward stood out this year but gives us where we're going in the future. because the next presidential election, there'll be no incumbent. >> right. >> we are going to see both parties have an open shot at it. so who gets that revvie? who's the person we ought to be watching? >> well
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who you will probably not be surprised as working for the obama campaign. he is knocking on doors. when he comes back at 10:00 at night, what you hearing? yes will say over and over again, i'm not going to vote for that rich guy. is a central thing that he gets them on and these are targeted voters. not people that would most likely be romney supporters that he is hearing that over and over. my sense in ohio is it seems familiar and feels a lot like 2004 but with not the same scenario. it feels like there are people who are not satisfied with obama. they are satisfied in part because the auto industry rescue change things in ohio. they are happy with that. unemploymunemploym ent is much lower in ohio than other places but they're there are still discontent with obama and his leadership. when it comes to will you make the jump and vote for romney, that is where he is not able to do it. i think of it as similar to with kerry in 2004. i don't like the war and i don't like bush and i don't like all the stuff. are you going to vote for kerry? i don't know what k
who you will probably not be surprised as working for the obama campaign. he is knocking on doors. when he comes back at 10:00 at night, what you hearing? yes will say over and over again, i'm not going to vote for that rich guy. is a central thing that he gets them on and these are targeted voters. not people that would most likely be romney supporters that he is hearing that over and over. my sense in ohio is it seems familiar and feels a lot like 2004 but with not the same scenario. it feels...
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. >> woodruff: president obama sounded a similar note in a statement saying, while neither democrats nor republicans got everything they wanted this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the house should pass it without delay. the president and house speaker john boehner had once talked of a grand bargain with $4 trillion in deficit reduction. instead the congressional budget office calculated today that extending the bush era tax cuts for 99% of americans would add $4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade. the senate measure delays mandatory pentagon and domestic spending cuts by two months. as the house convened at midday a number of republican congressmen complained the bill is still too heavy on tax hikes and too light on spending cuts. ohio's steve la tourette dismissed it as a, quote, package put together by a bunch of sleep-deprived october octogenenarians on new year's eve and the alabama representative said the house needs more time. >> the house must postpone this vote until congress and the american people have time to study and evaluate this extrao
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i started to cry right away. i'm thinking my little church is on fire. >> plus a local church congregation in shock after a fire rips through their sanctuary. >> the nation's capitol is gearing up for president obama's second inauguration. the press and why things will be scaled back this time around. >>> a house of worship in prince georges county goes up in flames this morning. luckily no one was hurt but the church has severe damage. bob joins me now with the latest developments. >> investigators say they haven't determined what caused the early morning fire. nothing suspicious at first but for the members of that church community, this is a sad start to the new year. >> we're very sad. this is our church. we were here last night. and we had such a grand celebration. we welcome in a new year and here we are again and our church is destroyed. >> they call it the church on top of the hill. the first church on iverson street. >> it's a new year, starting to the new year. looking f
i started to cry right away. i'm thinking my little church is on fire. >> plus a local church congregation in shock after a fire rips through their sanctuary. >> the nation's capitol is gearing up for president obama's second inauguration. the press and why things will be scaled back this time around. >>> a house of worship in prince georges county goes up in flames this morning. luckily no one was hurt but the church has severe damage. bob...
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last term of president obama, there was no budget passed. nobody is talking, the liberal media is not talking. they are hiding the bills that were passed in the house to be tabled and never brought up and never be accountable for. i hold the republicans accountable, too, because they did not step up to the mike and point the finger towards the blame. i have another question to ask. obama asked for complete congressional powers about being able to pull up and give any amount of money that he wanted, taking those powers away from the house. i think that is completely ludicrous. as far as the last caller asking out the democrats and republicans, that me see, if the democrats put a bill together and the republicans don't vote for it, they are mad at it, but if the republicans put a bill and let's say cave to the democrats, there is no bipartisan. i have never seen the democrats actually cave and take care of the fiscal cliff in the amount of debt that we have is completely crazy to me. >> that is marked in north carolina. back to the tweets. pea
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. >> well, as you know, wolf, starting january 1st the obama care tax increase kick cans in and speaker pelosi passed when she had the role under this president. but let's also remember that if we get it right on january 2nd, 3rd 4th or 5th, we won't ultimately have these kick in. technically the tacks have gone up. i would like to open with a resolution but if we don't signal that we're willing to cut this $1.3 trillion per year, the american people aren't getting a tax cut. they are getting a tax deferral. the money will still be owed. it will simply be next year or the next generation. either way, i think we have to put a down payment, as the president said, on a real reduction, something he hasn't done with the senate in this bill. >> a lot of your constituents are going to hate you. they are going to hate your fellow republicans in the house of representatives if you don't allow new legislation to go forward and they are going to be paying a lot more in taxes. >> wolf, i only have one voting card and i was instructed by my voters when i was re-elected to vote my conscience, to vote
. >> well, as you know, wolf, starting january 1st the obama care tax increase kick cans in and speaker pelosi passed when she had the role under this president. but let's also remember that if we get it right on january 2nd, 3rd 4th or 5th, we won't ultimately have these kick in. technically the tacks have gone up. i would like to open with a resolution but if we don't signal that we're willing to cut this $1.3 trillion per year, the american people aren't getting a tax cut. they are...
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capitol hill is quiet right now after an unprecedented late night. normally these halls would stay empty on new year's day but both the house and senate are in session with billions of dollars in spending cuts and tax increases on the rise. lawmakers missed the january 1st deadline but the bill will be retroactive. many taxpayers across the nation are frustrated that lawmakers waited so long to act. >> the whole system is flawed. it's terrible that it takes this long to get something done. >> it's been frustrating. >> reporter: if the measure becomes law, it will be the first significant bipartisan tax increase since 1990. the deal also would extend unemployment benefits and it would also prevent a spike in milk prices. live on capitol hill, danielle nottingham. frank, back to you. >> danielle, what if the house approves this today? what's the process and when will we, if we do feel an effect, the public that is, anyway? >> reporter: well, if the house does approve this, the public wouldn't feel the effect of the tax increases but what this deal does
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it got more -- amendment 64 got more votes in colorado than president barack obama got in colorado. so marijuana is popular here. and we're not ashamed of it. and the members of this club are not ashamed to be exercising our constitutional rights. >> all right, very good. robert cory jr., thanks so much for joining us. >>> well, any minute house republicans and democrats are expected to announce what each party will do in raegards to th fiscal cliff deal. dad. listen, we're gonna go broke unless we figure out a way to divvy up this shared data plan...fairly. so, um, whoever's fathered the most children, gets the most data. let's just do it by hair. body hair? most dental work. what? [ phones buzzing and beeping ] stop downloading, and stop liking everything. it should be by who has the least amount of cartilage in their left knee. [ mom ] i just want to take a bath. [ male announcer ] say no to sharing. say yes to sprint. with truly unlimited data, text and calling. >>> well, just moments ago vice president joe biden met with house democrats rallying votes in favor of the fiscal cli
it got more -- amendment 64 got more votes in colorado than president barack obama got in colorado. so marijuana is popular here. and we're not ashamed of it. and the members of this club are not ashamed to be exercising our constitutional rights. >> all right, very good. robert cory jr., thanks so much for joining us. >>> well, any minute house republicans and democrats are expected to announce what each party will do in raegards to th fiscal cliff deal. dad. listen, we're gonna...
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capitol hill is quiet right now after an unprecedented late night. normally these halls would stay empty on new year's day but both the house and senate are in session with billions of dollars in spending cuts and tax increases on the line. lawmakers missed the january 1 deadline but the bill will be retroactive. many taxpayers across the nation are frustrated lawmakers waited so long to act. >> the whole system is flawed. it's terrible that it takes this long to get something done that affects so many people. >> it has been a very frustrating process. >> reporter: if the measure becomes law, it will be the first significant bipartisan tax increase since 1990. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >> the bill as it is written also keeps the alternative minimum tax for the wealthy from hitting millions of middle- class families. >>> a seven-vehicle accident closed both directions of new york avenue and bladensburg road this morning. the pileup happened right in front of "the washington times" building. according to police, at least 18 people were
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for those making above $250,000, he writes the erosion signals a major substantive problem in its own right, but it raises disturbing questions about obama's ability to hand his entire second term agenda. is that fair? >> well, it's a question. i mean, it's -- obviously it's a fair question. the bottom line here is that what would happen if we went over the cliff? in my view it was worth hanging in there because this was the one and only time we were going to get revenues. i say that with some appreciation for the fact that everyday americans want us to get something done and we have another couple of months where fights will continue on. now, all of us will be looking to the president to be very aggressive in his leadership on the gun issue, on immigration reform. i think the more he weighs in with the assertive and middle class agenda, the stronger he will be. >> congressman, it's a pleasure to have you on the program on this new year's day. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we've been telling you, we're just moments away from when we expect john boehner will start the first of two cl
for those making above $250,000, he writes the erosion signals a major substantive problem in its own right, but it raises disturbing questions about obama's ability to hand his entire second term agenda. is that fair? >> well, it's a question. i mean, it's -- obviously it's a fair question. the bottom line here is that what would happen if we went over the cliff? in my view it was worth hanging in there because this was the one and only time we were going to get revenues. i say that with...
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. >> all right. >>> house and senate leaders are using every last second to try to sell their membership on this deal, something even president obama commented upon himself on monday. >> one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> and joining us now from capitol hill, democratic congresswoman debby wassermann schultz of florida who also serves as the dnc chair. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, mara. great to be with you. happy new year. >> in about an hour your conference meets on this bill. in attendance will be vice president joe biden. is it going to be difficult to sell your party on this deal? >> well, i think that we're going to come together in about an hour as a democratic caucus and hear the vice president out. there are a lot of good things in this bill that make sense and that i think it will ultimately earn the overwhelming majority of house democratic votes. we made sure that as we committed throughout this last campaign that we wou
. >> all right. >>> house and senate leaders are using every last second to try to sell their membership on this deal, something even president obama commented upon himself on monday. >> one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> and joining us now from capitol hill, democratic congresswoman debby wassermann schultz of florida who...
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there really was no time to do anything except the basics right now. and i think there's a good shot that this will succeed. i think both parties are very conscious of the markets opening tomorrow and the republicans have been through situations where they've voted down big plans and the markets have crashed. so i don't think that john boehner wants that on his head and i think that president obama's planning to blame him if that happens. there as lot of work being done to convince some liberal democrats and conservative republicans, because republicans in voting for this would have to vote for a tax rate increase which a lot of them have signed pledges saying they would never do. it's a big step but i think they'll take it. >> david, looking at house speaker john boehner a lot of people thought he ended up looking bad when that plan b failed. does he have the votes for this and/or could his speakership be in trouble? >> i don't know that his speakership is in trouble. during a year and a half ago during the debt ceiling debate where house majority lea
there really was no time to do anything except the basics right now. and i think there's a good shot that this will succeed. i think both parties are very conscious of the markets opening tomorrow and the republicans have been through situations where they've voted down big plans and the markets have crashed. so i don't think that john boehner wants that on his head and i think that president obama's planning to blame him if that happens. there as lot of work being done to convince some liberal...
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president obama of course encouraging lawmakers to quote, pass it without delay. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is live at the white house this morning with the very latest. wendell, a whole lot is happening right now. what does the white house expect the house to do today? >> reporter: it is unclear, heather. as you point out the vice president just arrived at the capital to rally democrats to support the compromise measure that senate passed last night. he wouldn't predict how the house will vote. house republicans will not decide to vote until after they studied bill. it doesn't contain any significant spending cuts and that will make it a tough sell to house republicans. yesterday the president aimed to put some pressure on them in an appearance that showcased middle class americans who would be hit by a tax hike. mr. obama said, he would have prefered a bigger deal that included spending cuts. >> a grand bargain, whatever want to call it, that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way, that just doesn't deal
president obama of course encouraging lawmakers to quote, pass it without delay. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is live at the white house this morning with the very latest. wendell, a whole lot is happening right now. what does the white house expect the house to do today? >> reporter: it is unclear, heather. as you point out the vice president just arrived at the capital to rally democrats to support the compromise measure that senate passed last night....
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many democrats didn't love all the details, but they're going to -- president obama has signed on to the deal, so that's going to push a lot of democrats over the line and they'll get enough votes today to get this passed. >> all right, let's say this gets done today, lynn. vice president biden reportedly told democrats, and we saw him going on the hill, i don't know what time, 10:00, 11:00 last night, that the real work is yet to come in march, when the sequester cuts will come up again, and of course, the debt ceiling battle. how does what happened last night either pave the way for or impede the way to what happens in the spring? >> well, it sets it up. it's a kick of the can down the road. and one of the trade-offs that biden made was giving the restoring to republicans some of the leverage they lost right now. everyone knows that the big pressure to get the senate to act was that everyone's taxes was going to rise at midnight. now it's some people's, the wealthiest taxes. that was leverage. democrats won't have it again in a few weeks. that's another reason why some democrats th
many democrats didn't love all the details, but they're going to -- president obama has signed on to the deal, so that's going to push a lot of democrats over the line and they'll get enough votes today to get this passed. >> all right, let's say this gets done today, lynn. vice president biden reportedly told democrats, and we saw him going on the hill, i don't know what time, 10:00, 11:00 last night, that the real work is yet to come in march, when the sequester cuts will come up again,...
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host: -- who want to do the right thing. host: what about -- hear on twitter -- caller: the obama campaign talked about wanting to put the clinton tax cuts back into effect. well, they went over that. i was watching something on your earlier, democratic senator talking about, the middle class is not $250,000, four hundred thousand dollars -- $400,000. people that make that much money, they have no idea what middle-class is. i started work when i was 18 years old. i'm 21 now, and i have been laid-off. i work construction. in my part of the country, they're shutting down a cool completely. any ideas on this -- down coal ely.lettely any ideas on this? host: to our next caller. caller: the guy on your twitter feed, he talked about the balanced approach and a discussion on spending. the whole issue is pending. the democrats are winning the argument, for public appearances and everything. that is until we finally realize that we're spending so much money that has not even been a born yet. nothing will change. i am fascinated that
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doing some things right, right now? >> yes, it didn't go for the grinding austerity that everybody else did, because it didn't need to. it has large, liquid, deep financial markets, so yes, it is doing a lot right, but that 2%, 2.5% growth that you're talking about, john, is very wafer thin. it wouldn't take much for investor confidence to evaporate and wouldn't take much for that growth to i wouldn't say go negative but at least to go stagnant and that's the big fear in all of this. it's not are things going well now, it's what can the u.s. economy trip over in the first three months, say for example, of 2013. i have a question for you, by the way. john, you might like to join in on this, with the s&p and i'm trying to go backwards here fast. which do you think was the best performing market globally percentage wise in 2012? >> i know, greece, greece, greece, was it greece? >> hold on, everybody gets a guess. you say greece. >> i say stop & shop. which market. >> country. >> i'm going with greece. >> i'm going to pull
doing some things right, right now? >> yes, it didn't go for the grinding austerity that everybody else did, because it didn't need to. it has large, liquid, deep financial markets, so yes, it is doing a lot right, but that 2%, 2.5% growth that you're talking about, john, is very wafer thin. it wouldn't take much for investor confidence to evaporate and wouldn't take much for that growth to i wouldn't say go negative but at least to go stagnant and that's the big fear in all of this. it's...
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>> i think you're so right, mike. in a certain sense i was thinking about that. think about what abraham lincoln said at the gettysburg address, a similar kind of move, no loss express what we feel as we are dedicating this cemetery to soldiers who died and we the living have to make their lives worthwhile. i don't think he had to go into specifics, i have a lot of power. i will used that power. and like lincoln said, i'm clothed with this 13th amendment power and then you follow up with what you do about video games and gun control and the internet. i think the tone of it was absolutely pitch perfect. >> doris, john heilemann. one of the things most amazing about the movie, the way in which it kind of celebrates the kind of darker side of politics, right? it shows you this isn't just about nobility, there's a rlot f horse trading to get things done. if you were sitting in the oval office, i know you have done that with president obama, what would you tell him to conduct himself in the whole range of things over the nerkt term xt tt things done. >> he has to keep
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what do you make of president obama, the negotiator? there has been a lot of criticism from the left, frankly, that he gave too much to republicans as this part of the deal. he's showing them when his back is up against the wall, he will gave. 250,000 was his limit all along, what is he like as a negotiator? your thoughts? >> i don't think that is a fair criticism. there this is give and take, there are some on the left for who any give at all is a failed negotiation. the president is politically the big winner here. he got what he wanted with the tax cuts. he got what he wanted with the estate tax and other issues and the sequester delay. so i just think that the president working with senator mcconnell, who did a very good job with his conference in the senate, that they all look good. we have to see if we can do our job in the house. that's still to come today. >> congressman, thank you very much. happy new year and good luck going forward. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >>> coming up, the senate agrees to the fiscal cliff deal, but
what do you make of president obama, the negotiator? there has been a lot of criticism from the left, frankly, that he gave too much to republicans as this part of the deal. he's showing them when his back is up against the wall, he will gave. 250,000 was his limit all along, what is he like as a negotiator? your thoughts? >> i don't think that is a fair criticism. there this is give and take, there are some on the left for who any give at all is a failed negotiation. the president is...
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president obama released a statement this morning saying, quote, this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the house should pass it without delay. he promises to do more to reduce the deficit. that fight like low to begin within weeks as republicans demand spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. juliet, brian, steve, happy new year. >> steve: thank you very much. i believe this could be the very first live shot from the white house. wendell, technically, because the house has not yet passed it, technically we've sailed off the cliff, right? >> we are off the cliff now. you feel you're in free fall? >> steve: a little bit. thank you, sir. >> juliet: thanks. congratulations on the first live shot. >> steve: indeed. >> brian: what is in this bill? as wendell just said, receipts go over a few things. taxes do go up for singles, individuals who make 400,000 and above. for couples who make 450,000 and above. dividend and capital gains taxes rise from 15% to 20%. if you happen to die, you are going to be given up 40% if your estate is worth more than 5 milli
president obama released a statement this morning saying, quote, this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the house should pass it without delay. he promises to do more to reduce the deficit. that fight like low to begin within weeks as republicans demand spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. juliet, brian, steve, happy new year. >> steve: thank you very much. i believe this could be the very first live shot from the white house. wendell, technically,...
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in fact, the senate is voting right now. the house won't reconvene until noon, so we won't know anything until they get their hands on everything. >> congressional leaders hope to send legislation to president obama within a day of two meaning that consumers shouldn't notice any impact. with the latest, we're joined by karen travers in washington. >> good morning, paula and john. it's after midnight and while we technically have gone over the fiscal cliff, some last minute arm twisting and negotiations may have provided a parachute. don't start popping the champaign just yet. after days of intense negotiations, the white house and senate republicans reached a deal. vice president biden went up to capitol hill to sell it to senate democrats. >> happy new year. >> reporter: biden swooped in at the 11th hour to hammer out a way forward to senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. the agreement would permanently extend bush tax cuts to those making under $400,000. and households making under $450,000. raise the estate tax at tho
in fact, the senate is voting right now. the house won't reconvene until noon, so we won't know anything until they get their hands on everything. >> congressional leaders hope to send legislation to president obama within a day of two meaning that consumers shouldn't notice any impact. with the latest, we're joined by karen travers in washington. >> good morning, paula and john. it's after midnight and while we technically have gone over the fiscal cliff, some last minute arm...
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of course president obama wants the house to take this up right away. he says while neither democrats nor republicans got everything they wanted this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the house should pass it without delay. this does, though, john, come down to rank and file republicans. they've proven the hardest to please here. and so they may not just take up the bill. they could amend the bill, change it more to their liking, and send it back to the senate. that's one possibility. and we don't know exactly which direction house republicans are going to choose. but the bottom line is, is house speaker john boehner who determines what goes to the house floor. >> and of course the last time he went to his caucus and said hey, guys, it didn't work out so well for him. but this is different, brianna, largely because he doesn't need every one of his republican votes on this. they need to cobble together a group of republicans and a group of democrats to get this passed, correct? >> that's right. and this is different for a couple of r
of course president obama wants the house to take this up right away. he says while neither democrats nor republicans got everything they wanted this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the house should pass it without delay. this does, though, john, come down to rank and file republicans. they've proven the hardest to please here. and so they may not just take up the bill. they could amend the bill, change it more to their liking, and send it back to the senate. that's one...
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rights. >> in 2012, president obama came up big for workers, but not before the workers came up big for him. john nicoles of the nation magazine on the year in labor, next. >> voter idea is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and in 2012, republicans thought they could suppress their way to the white house. but the voters would not be denied. >> we will not be turned around. >> ohio state senator nina turner joins me ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] you can't let a cold keep you up tonight. vicks nyquil -- powerful nighttime 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ like gas station sushi. or super cheap car insurance. and then there are good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. >>> good to have you back with us, thank you for joining us on this special year-end edition of "the ed show." we covered worker's issues all year long, but we wondered how the middle class voters would do coming out to vote. the victory was
rights. >> in 2012, president obama came up big for workers, but not before the workers came up big for him. john nicoles of the nation magazine on the year in labor, next. >> voter idea is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and in 2012, republicans thought they could suppress their way to the white house. but the voters would not be denied. >> we will not be turned around. >> ohio state senator nina turner joins me ahead. ♪...
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president obama's 2010 trip to india. others on the right were up in arms over rue nors about what the trip would cost. >> i think we know that just within a day or so, the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. we have never seen a trip at this level before at this level of excess. and i think it's not a good signal to send to the american people when the american people are, quite frankly, struggling right now with high job losses. >> $200 million a day would have surpassed the daily cost of the war in afghanistan at the time. it was started by an unnamed source on an indian news web site. we can't talk about conspiracy theories without bringing up rush limbaugh. this past august was cancelled due to hurricane isaac. >> you've got a hurricane coming. the national hurricane center, which is a government agency, very hopeful that the hurricane gets near tampa. the national hurricane center is obama. it's a national weather service, part
president obama's 2010 trip to india. others on the right were up in arms over rue nors about what the trip would cost. >> i think we know that just within a day or so, the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. we have never seen a trip at this level before at this level of excess. and i think it's not a good signal to send to the american people when the american people are, quite frankly, struggling...
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now. >> so you agree with president obama on libya or not? >> okay. libya. president obama supported the uprising, correct? i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason. no, that's a different one. i got to go back and see. >> oh. >> i got all of this stuff twirling around in my head. >> oh, we missed him so badly. we're going ba b. back more with if biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more with if biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more with if biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. ack more with f biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more with biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. ck more with i biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more with biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more wit biggest surp
now. >> so you agree with president obama on libya or not? >> okay. libya. president obama supported the uprising, correct? i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason. no, that's a different one. i got to go back and see. >> oh. >> i got all of this stuff twirling around in my head. >> oh, we missed him so badly. we're going ba b. back more with if biggest surprise of the 2012 person of the year, donald trump award, coming up. back more with...
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>> we really think that president obama won the campaign in the spring. and what is key is in the west wing, in late may his advisors basically told him we want to spend the fall's budget right now, on a really tough tv assault against romney. and the president had to be convinced by the advisors to do this, and obviously he was thinking financially are we going to have that money in the fall or spend it now it was a risk but one that ultimately paid off for president obama. governor romney at that point was still trying to put together the pieces for his primary just ended. >> why didn't he respond? why didn't they refute the attacks about bain capitol? >> one of the issues was governor romney was just not willing to lend himself money as he was in 2008. there was a perception among his senior staff that he didn't want to be seen as buying the election. so in order for him to have gone toe-to-toe with obama at that point in time he would have had to use his own money and that wasn't even broached in the campaign. >> warner: one of the most fascinating th
>> we really think that president obama won the campaign in the spring. and what is key is in the west wing, in late may his advisors basically told him we want to spend the fall's budget right now, on a really tough tv assault against romney. and the president had to be convinced by the advisors to do this, and obviously he was thinking financially are we going to have that money in the fall or spend it now it was a risk but one that ultimately paid off for president obama. governor...
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it seems to be that obama is a pretty solid, long-term lead over romney and my sense on the ground is that strikes me that the polls are probably right that way but i -- no predictions. >> kevin, i want to take you back to the -- we love this insight into ohio. but i want to take you back to the discussion about foreign policy in the republican party, because in the '52 campaign, george marshall was under tremendous attack, and we think of george marshall really as a heroic figure, and i think a lot of people thought that at the time as well. certainly harry truman did. and eisenhower did not defend marshall when mccarthy attacked him and this was seen as a betrayal. and that tension then came out when eisenhower made some early appointments in his administration and picked some classy people, like chip bowen to be ambassador to the soviet union, and the mccarthy crowd fought it. and so seems to still play itself out in different ways now. if you look at the new start treaty on arms control, which everyone in the military was passionately for, and yet it was very, very difficult to sq
it seems to be that obama is a pretty solid, long-term lead over romney and my sense on the ground is that strikes me that the polls are probably right that way but i -- no predictions. >> kevin, i want to take you back to the -- we love this insight into ohio. but i want to take you back to the discussion about foreign policy in the republican party, because in the '52 campaign, george marshall was under tremendous attack, and we think of george marshall really as a heroic figure, and i...
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and again, that is something that right after the election and well into december obama said he was going to insist on a permanent end to the debt ceiling. that was going to be part of this deal. he insisted on it. he backed off and indicated through the negotiations that he would be okay with a two-year patch. and now it is not even in there at all. it is very clear we'll have a showdown similar to this in about a month when we hit the debt expiration, except in a month, republicans will -- excuse me, democrats and obama will not have the kind of leverage that the automatic expiration that the bush tax cuts gave them. it is a discouragement that they can be em boldened, how they can move president obama, and the fact he won the election on the fact he would move the taxes, on 250,000 plus. >> i agree with steve on that, those are the two big numbers, going up from 250 to 400, for singles, 450 for couples, i have to say i personally like this deal more than the other, that included social security benefit cuts. that was not included. and i think the white house may have concluded that a,
and again, that is something that right after the election and well into december obama said he was going to insist on a permanent end to the debt ceiling. that was going to be part of this deal. he insisted on it. he backed off and indicated through the negotiations that he would be okay with a two-year patch. and now it is not even in there at all. it is very clear we'll have a showdown similar to this in about a month when we hit the debt expiration, except in a month, republicans will --...
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a good example is for example what's happening right as we speak which is this this controversy over chuck hagel the presumptive nominee for obama secretary of defense i mean this is a guy who's been who was a vocal opponent of the iraq war he criticizes sanctions and isolation when it comes to iran he's weary of foreign entanglements he has opposed the obama administration's eva asia pivot were the military surge of throughout asia to contain china all of these things and he's he's been hit with a lot of criticism but it's interesting to know that a guy like that could possibly sit in the seat that was previously occupied by panetta and rumsfeld so there is some change in the obama straight and has even though it isn't it intervened unfortunately in places like syria to a limited degree and has heart imposed harsh sanctions on iran i think a lot of the bush crew might have already intervened and so you know as much of a warmonger as obama is there isn't a a a fortunate slight change in foreign policy from the bush years well what do you think what's the setting in america to tell my
a good example is for example what's happening right as we speak which is this this controversy over chuck hagel the presumptive nominee for obama secretary of defense i mean this is a guy who's been who was a vocal opponent of the iraq war he criticizes sanctions and isolation when it comes to iran he's weary of foreign entanglements he has opposed the obama administration's eva asia pivot were the military surge of throughout asia to contain china all of these things and he's he's been hit...
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we are doing all this spending to prop up the economy because the fundamentals are right. all of the things the obama administration has done have been anti growth, whether energy licy, trade with china, reregulation of wall street. and now this, taxing all those jobs creators, all those small businesses. i don't know why you would want to invest in this country now. gerri: let me ask you this. the congressional budget office has out its numbers. if the fiscal cliff hits they say u.s. gdp would shrink by half a percentage point and that unemployment will rise to over 9%. do you think they have the rights or are they just too conservative? will it be worse? >> if we actually went over the cliff we would be subtracted from domestic demand over $600 billion. that is about four percentage points in gdp. most economists were forecasting in the first half of next year hardly 2 percent growth. if you subtract 4% to spending from that year and a recession that is much deeper. the cbo tense and not be alarmist because they say what they are partisan, but congress read it paycheck,
we are doing all this spending to prop up the economy because the fundamentals are right. all of the things the obama administration has done have been anti growth, whether energy licy, trade with china, reregulation of wall street. and now this, taxing all those jobs creators, all those small businesses. i don't know why you would want to invest in this country now. gerri: let me ask you this. the congressional budget office has out its numbers. if the fiscal cliff hits they say u.s. gdp would...
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>> absolutely right. they believed in president obama out on the campaign trail saying let's make these people of upper income above $250,000 pay more taxes. they were not happy with the negotiation because the republicans obviously don't want to raise taxes on anybody but if they are going to give the president who won reelection more revenue as part of a balance deal, if you will, they were willing to go up to $450,000 and so the vice president is eceptionly say -- essentially saying to liberal democrats who want to raise taxes on more people this is a good deal and keeps us from going off the fiscal cliff. you need to get onboard with this and h help me pass this across the finish line. there may be a little bit of stroking of some democratic egos in the caucus meeting to try to get this done. >> mike emanuel, thank you. as we look live at the ohio clock, all the reporters crowd around any senator, any lawmaker frankly but it is all senators there on the senate side who is saying anything about anythin
>> absolutely right. they believed in president obama out on the campaign trail saying let's make these people of upper income above $250,000 pay more taxes. they were not happy with the negotiation because the republicans obviously don't want to raise taxes on anybody but if they are going to give the president who won reelection more revenue as part of a balance deal, if you will, they were willing to go up to $450,000 and so the vice president is eceptionly say -- essentially saying to...
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. >> all right, mike viqueira, stand by. we're going to kristen welker at the white house. >> i can tell you that president obama called majority leader reid and also pelosi over at the house, and they both agreed with this deal that we have been discussing throughout the night, this deal that would allow tax cuts to expire on those making $400,000 or more and $450,000 or more for couples, as well as extend unemployment insurance benefits. and it would stave off the sequester for two months through a combination of tax cuts -- or tax hikes i should say, those tax hikes that i just mentioned, as well as spending cuts. so those are the broad parameters of the deal. and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of
. >> all right, mike viqueira, stand by. we're going to kristen welker at the white house. >> i can tell you that president obama called majority leader reid and also pelosi over at the house, and they both agreed with this deal that we have been discussing throughout the night, this deal that would allow tax cuts to expire on those making $400,000 or more and $450,000 or more for couples, as well as extend unemployment insurance benefits. and it would stave off the sequester for...
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boehner said what do i get in return and obama said nothing. i get that free. that's who he is. the second term, this is a guy who has no interest in cutting spending. he has an interest in expanding the welfare state. he has now achieved it in welfare. he spoke earlier in his presidency. the first speech he gave joint session of congress education, energy and healthcare. he is in part on his way. going to revolutionize the country. he he doesn't care. when we heard that what he said this afternoon, he he was mocking the idea of cutting spending and then he said i'm going to stand up for seniors and all the others will be heard. this is an annall of this is dot care if we go over the cliff or not. he thinks he wins either way. he is not going to bend on spending in the future. >> bret: down the road, does this mini deal come together tonight, tomorrow? >> i think it likely will and i think it's likely the house will reject it. >> i don't know because i didn't think we were going to go over the cliff. >> bret: and here we are. >> here we are. i was wrong about that. i would hope
boehner said what do i get in return and obama said nothing. i get that free. that's who he is. the second term, this is a guy who has no interest in cutting spending. he has an interest in expanding the welfare state. he has now achieved it in welfare. he spoke earlier in his presidency. the first speech he gave joint session of congress education, energy and healthcare. he is in part on his way. going to revolutionize the country. he he doesn't care. when we heard that what he said this...
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conditions. >> two in 2012, president obama came up big for workers. but not before the workers came up big for him. john nichols of "the nation" magazine on the year in labor, next. >>> voter id. which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and in 2012, republicans thought they could suppress their way to the white house. but the voters would not be denied. >> we will not be turned around. >> ohio state senator nina turner joins me ahead. ompanies . here a cheap, there a cheap, everywhere a cheap... you get it. so, what if instead of just a cheap choice, you could make a smart choice? like, esurance for example. they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. it's what they've always done. not just something they cheap about. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call. your mouth has sipped, snacked, ...yellowed... lived, loved, ...yellowed... chatted, chewed, ...yellowed. and over all those years, your teeth...have yellowed. fact is, if you're n
conditions. >> two in 2012, president obama came up big for workers. but not before the workers came up big for him. john nichols of "the nation" magazine on the year in labor, next. >>> voter id. which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and in 2012, republicans thought they could suppress their way to the white house. but the voters would not be denied. >> we will not be turned around. >> ohio state senator...
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first we had the tea party movement come out of the early years of the obama administration. perhaps it's a response to the crisis we had of course, occupy wall street. at the same time the tea party movement is seen as maybe as an evading force on the right and occupy's wall street one year anniversary just came and went quietly. i wonder what this can teach us about social movements going forward? >> first and foremost, i have to admit i'm a liberal with a capital l. i firmly believe in women's right and that most republicans are really annoying right now. so the problem with social movements and the good thing about places like moveon.org or that avas.org is that you can see these movements as catalyzers. there are certain manifestos and writing that they were citing as some of their key documents. the good news is that they seem to have overplayed their hand. ann coulter was never fun to me. they are building more cultural capital now. i'm hoping to see a lot more of the people who actually won the culture wars which is people who believe in human rights, women's choice,
first we had the tea party movement come out of the early years of the obama administration. perhaps it's a response to the crisis we had of course, occupy wall street. at the same time the tea party movement is seen as maybe as an evading force on the right and occupy's wall street one year anniversary just came and went quietly. i wonder what this can teach us about social movements going forward? >> first and foremost, i have to admit i'm a liberal with a capital l. i firmly believe in...
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the final weeks of president obama's first term are upon us. it's hard to remember the bizarre conspiracy theories. let eegs look back at some of the worst first. others on the right were up in arms over rumors about what the trip would cost. >> i think we know that just within a day or so, the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is kmexpected to cos the taxpayers $200 million dlarsz a day. the american people are quite frankly struggling right now. >> for comparison, $200 million a day would have surpassed the war in afghanistan at the time. that nonfactual story about the cost of obama's trip was started by an unnamed source on an indian news web site. we can't talk about conspiracy theories without bringing up rush limbaugh. >> you've got a hurricane coming. the national hurricane center, with a government agency, very hopeful that the hurricane gets near tampa. obama is sending in fema in advance. in tampa, a bunch of rvs and stuff making it look like a disaster area before the hurricane even hits there.
the final weeks of president obama's first term are upon us. it's hard to remember the bizarre conspiracy theories. let eegs look back at some of the worst first. others on the right were up in arms over rumors about what the trip would cost. >> i think we know that just within a day or so, the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is kmexpected to cos the taxpayers $200 million dlarsz a day. the american people are quite frankly struggling right now....
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and right now, whether it's president obama, whether it was speaker boehner, the two of them couldn't find a way to get to a deal because they didn't want to look like they were ever caving. and when you get to a point where it looks like you're caving on something, then there is negative political effects. now, that's why they've brought in vice president biden, mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader, to try to close this thing. and they may close a deal, but there's no guarantee that even any deal they come to an agreement with tonight will actually make it tomorrow. >> and chuck, this congress has, you were telling us, the lowest approval rating ever, the least productive. in terms of bills past. what happens when the next congress comes in later this week? >> reporter: well, the bad news is, if you view this as bad news, more of the same. because even if they get this temporary deal on taxes, temporarily buy down the automatic spending cuts, what they have set up is a series of mini fiscal cliffs, if you will, kate. so every three to six weeks, over the next six months, we
and right now, whether it's president obama, whether it was speaker boehner, the two of them couldn't find a way to get to a deal because they didn't want to look like they were ever caving. and when you get to a point where it looks like you're caving on something, then there is negative political effects. now, that's why they've brought in vice president biden, mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader, to try to close this thing. and they may close a deal, but there's no guarantee that...
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obama campaign promising the negotiations would be on c-span. what they're doing right now is fundamentally wrong and not likely to help very much, and just leads us to the next crisis, which will be over the debt ceiling, to be followed by another crisis. >> i'm going to ask you to stick around if you can. >> unfortunately, i can't, but i do want to wish you a happy new year despite the fact that you're in washington. >> mr. speaker, to you and the entire family, we wish you a happy new year as well. we'll see you back here in washington at some point, i'm sure. >> take care. >> thank you very much. we'll get senator rand paul's perspective on what's going on. the republican senator from kentucky, when we come back. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressive. test-drive snapshot befor
obama campaign promising the negotiations would be on c-span. what they're doing right now is fundamentally wrong and not likely to help very much, and just leads us to the next crisis, which will be over the debt ceiling, to be followed by another crisis. >> i'm going to ask you to stick around if you can. >> unfortunately, i can't, but i do want to wish you a happy new year despite the fact that you're in washington. >> mr. speaker, to you and the entire family, we wish you...
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we'll be right back. >> the revvies will return with president obama, clint eastwood, and carl rove. plus, the award for political performer of the year. you're watching the second annual revvie awards only on msnbc. jamie lee curtis?! oh hi, yes. wow you really went all out on the decorations, huh? yeah, but i'm so slow taking them down after all the fatty holiday food. but that's normal. what do you mean that's normal? it doesn't have to be. to me normal means feeling good inside. not...
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>> we really think that president obama won the campaign in the spring. and what is key is in the west wing, in late may his advisors basically told him we want to spend the fall's budget right now on a really tough tv assault against romney. and the president had to be convinced by the advisors to do this, and obviously he was thinking financially are we going to have that money in the fall or spend it now it was a risk but one that ultimately paid off for president obama. governor romney at that point was still trying to put together the pieces for his primary just ended. >> why didn't he respond? why didn't they refute the attacks about bain capitol? >> one of the issues was governor romney was just not willing to lend himself money as he was in 2008. there was a perception among his senior staff that he didn't want to be seen as buying the election. so in order for him to have gone toe-to-toe with obama at that point in time he would have had to use his own money and that wasn't even broached in the campaign. >> warner: one of the most fascinating thi
>> we really think that president obama won the campaign in the spring. and what is key is in the west wing, in late may his advisors basically told him we want to spend the fall's budget right now on a really tough tv assault against romney. and the president had to be convinced by the advisors to do this, and obviously he was thinking financially are we going to have that money in the fall or spend it now it was a risk but one that ultimately paid off for president obama. governor...
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and if you look at the period during the obama term, it's been at 24% as high as 25%. so it certainly hasn't come down. so i don't know what he was referring. david: what happened is and i'm looking right at federal outlays right now, we can put it on the screen. we had the big jump because of stimulus 2009 which' greed part republican, part democrat but it stayed there. it doesn't go down. it went up in 2011. not down. the basically -- baseline is now this and that's why the president needs all new taxes. >> if you look at change in deficit past two years we have upwards 9% deficit or so per year and part of that of course is a result of the recession. when you have a recession, tax revenues fall. so if he fell from 18 1/2% down to 15% but the big, bigger component of it was just the one you mentioned was the discretionary increase in spending from 20.8% to 25% during the first year. david: yet we just heard today, i mean god knows what kind of deal they will end up with, windmill subsidies. windmills have failed terribly. it is more expensive to get energy from windm
and if you look at the period during the obama term, it's been at 24% as high as 25%. so it certainly hasn't come down. so i don't know what he was referring. david: what happened is and i'm looking right at federal outlays right now, we can put it on the screen. we had the big jump because of stimulus 2009 which' greed part republican, part democrat but it stayed there. it doesn't go down. it went up in 2011. not down. the basically -- baseline is now this and that's why the president needs...
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here's what both sides are considering in a potential deal right now. an increase in tax rates for families making over $450,000 a year. extending unemployment benefits. and an increase in the estate tax. the president seemed hopeful but cautious when he addressed the american people earlier today. >> today, it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax hike is within sight. but it's not done. there are still issues left to resolve. but we're hopeful that congress can get it done. but it's not done. >> let's get straight to our chief white house correspondent jessi jessica yellin. she's over at the white house with the very latest. the president seems pretty optimistic that it's within a few hours we could have a deal, right? >> reporter: wolf, the people i just spoke to here say they are no more or less optimistic than they were this morning. which is to say they are not cueing the confetti just yet. senator mitch mcconnell, the republican leader on the hill, is still talking to the white house. the white house is in constant contact with
here's what both sides are considering in a potential deal right now. an increase in tax rates for families making over $450,000 a year. extending unemployment benefits. and an increase in the estate tax. the president seemed hopeful but cautious when he addressed the american people earlier today. >> today, it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax hike is within sight. but it's not done. there are still issues left to resolve. but we're hopeful that congress can get it...